Marian devotion
The hard data, first of all
The 1942 (two), 1964, 1982, 1983 (letter to the bishops and annexed act) and 1984 no la contienen: zero occurrences, counted on the clean text of HTML tags.
This is not an opinion or a position: it is a count. And it's the firm ground that you can discuss everything else.
PART ONE: What exactly was requested, and when
Hay three piecesAnd they don't say the same thing:
1. The announcement - July 13, 1917, part two of the secret
- Text published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in "The Message of Fatima" (26-VI.2000), taken from the Tercera Memoria (August 31, 1941).
2. The formal petition - Tuy, June 13, 1929
— Memories of Sister Lucia I, Apéndice II, pp. 194-195.
3. A third formulation - letter of 29 May 1930
— DCF. Selection, doc 125, pp. 516-518.
PART 2: What was done - the seven pontifical, cross-woven actions
Method: downloaded vatican.va texts, stripped of HTML tags and entities, standardized and counted the occurrence of "Russia / Russia / Russia" on the clean text. It's not a reading impression: it's a count.
| # | Date | Who? | What it enshrines according to its own text | Do you name Russia? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 31-X-1942 | Pius XII, radio to Portugal (in Portuguese) | «not only the Holy Church... but also everyone» | ❌ NO - 0 events |
| 1b | 8-XII-1942 | Pius XII, solemn renewal | «Consecration of the Church and of the human race» | ❌ NO - 0 events |
| 2 | 7-VII-1952 | Pius XII, Apostolic Letter Holy versus year | «cunctos Russiarum populos… dedicamus ac consecramus» | ✅ Yes, nominally. |
| 3 | 21-XI-1964 | Pablo VIthe third session of the Council | «We entrust to Your Immaculate Heart all human gender»; Remember the act of Pius XII | ❌ NO - 0 events |
| 4 | 13-V-1982 | Juan Pablo II, en Fátima | «This nuestro human world... In a special way... those men and those nations that... have particular need» | ❌ NO - 0 events |
| 5 | 8-XII-1983 | Juan Pablo II, letter a all the bishops + Annex | Ask the Bishops "renew this Act together with me"on 24 or 25 March 1984 | ❌ NO - 0 events neither in the letter nor in the Act |
| 6 | 25-III-1984 | Juan Pablo II, square of San Pedro | «This human world of ours, which we trust and consecrate... In a special way we trust and consecrate those men and those nations who have particular need...» | ❌ NO - 0 events |
| 7 | _ | Francisco, Basilica of St. Peter | «We consecrate to your Immaculate Heart our people, the Church and the whole humanity, Russia and Ukraine» | ✅ Yes, nominally. |
The key, verbatim texts
**1952 — *Sacred vergent year [Bleep] (Latin text oficial):
The official Italian version headlines the heading without ambiguity: "9. Consecration of the peoples of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary». Published in AAS 44 (1952), 505-511.
1984 - the event, in the Spanish version published by the Holy See in the 2000 document:
2022 — Francisco:
Two disclosure errors that this survey disassembles
1. ❌ "Paul VI consecrated Russia on November 21, 1964." It is stated, among others, by a very widespread response sheet. It is false about the text: Pablo VI Remember the act of Pius XII, announces the sending of the Golden Rose to Fatima and Conducts "all human gender". No mention of Russia.
2. ❌ "John Paul II appointed Russia in Fatima in 1982." Equally false about the text: zero occurrences.
THIRD PART: The controversy - the two positions, without taking sides
Which is made textual and is not in dispute
- The act of 25 March 1984 does not contain the word "Russia".
- La call letter of 8 December 1983 exists, is public and in vatican.va: John Paul II writes to the bishops asking them "renew this Act together with me». Nor does that letter name Russia.
- The Holy See describes the 1984 act as a fact "en unión espiritual con todos los Obispos del mundo, precedentemente «convocados»».
The position of the Holy See: "it is made"
Reference document: Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, The message of Fatima26 June 2000, submission signed by Tarcisio Bertone:
Other support for this position:
- El communiqué by Cardinal Angelo Sodano read in Fatima the 13 May 2000with his symbolic reading of the third part of the secret and the events of 1989.
- El Cardinal Bertone, en L’ultima veggente di Fatima (2007, with letter of presentation from Benedict XVI of 22 February 2007): "Russia has been consecrated, and the consecration took place on 25 March 1984».
- Third-party statements to Sr. Lucia: 29 August 1989; 3 July 1990 to Fr. Robert Fox; 17 November 2001 to Bertone, published in L’Osservatore Romano of 9 January 2002, p. 7.
- The underlying argument (for example, it makes it, Paul Kengor en el National Catholic RegisterMarch 23, 2022): that John Paul II avoided the name for diplomatic reasons - in the middle of the Cold War, with the Church pursued after the Iron Curtain - and which "all peoples and nations" necessarily includes Russia.
The opposite position: "was not done as requested"
Who: Brother Michel of the Holy Trinity (The whole truth about Fatima / The Whole Truth About Fatima), Nicholas Gruner y The Fatima Center, Christopher Ferrara; in Spanish, publications of the TFP orbit as Treasures of the Faith No 245 (May 2022).
Your two material requirements, taken from the letter of Tuy 1929:
1. that the Pope name of Russia;
2. in union with all the bishops, in an effective and verifiable manner.
Your arguments:
- The 1984 text no dice «Rusia» - this is a fact, not an opinion.
- "Spiritual union" with bishops "called" no es, they support the effective and simultaneous union that Tuy's text requests; and there is no public record of bishop accessions per bishop.
- They do documentary criticism of the letter of 8 November 1989: que es mecanographythat the original has not been displayed with its chain of archival custody, and that would contain historically problematic references. Frère Michel claims that Sister Lucia changed position por obedienciaNot out of conviction.
- They call for an interview attributed to Sr Lucia published by Sol de Fátima en 1985: «There was not the participation of all the bishops nor was Russia mentioned».
Verified references of this position:
- The Fatima Center, «The Conditions of the Consecration of Russia»:
https://fatima.org/the-conditions-of-the-consecration-of-russia/(HTTP 200). - Christopher A. Ferrara, The Secret Still Hidden, Good Counsel Publications, 2008 — PDF:
https://fatima.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Secret-Still-Hidden.pdf(HTTP 200).
Balance: quee puede afirmar y quee no
| Affirmation | Estatuto |
|---|---|
| The 1984 act does not name Russia | Verified textual fact |
| The 1983 call letter exists and is public | Verified fact |
| The Holy See has considered the request fulfilled since 1984 | Done: is your official position published |
| Sister Lucia wrote the 8-XI@-@ 1989 that "is made" | The Holy See claims it and cites it. El original has not been published in facsimile with archiving apparatus |
| The 1989 letters are forgery | Not tested. It's an author's thesis, not an expert. |
| Sister Lucia was coerced | Not tested |
| All the bishops participated effectively | NO documentaryly believed. Lo acreditado es la call |
| The interview of Sol de Fátima of 1985 | NO verificada. It is only a quote from one of the parties. It should not be cited as the word of Sister Lucia. |
| The act of 2022 was a rectification of that of 1984. | NO. La Santa Sede no presented it in 2022 reaffirmó its position on 1984 |
And the framework that the Holy See itself puts on top of all the discussion
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, 2000 theological comment:
And, against any fatalistic reading of these texts:
PART 4: "Russia will spread its mistakes" - what the text says and what does not
From the text of 13 July 1917 they are announced, literally.Five things:
1. A worse war that which was then released, "in the pontificate of Pius XI," preceded by "a night illuminated by an unknown light."
2. If the request is not met: Russia "will spread its mistakes around the world".
3. Wars and persecutions of the Church.
4. «The good will be martyred and the Holy Father will have much to suffer; several nations will be annihilated.»
5. Final promise"At last my Immaculate Heart will triumph... and will be granted to the world some time of peace."
And here the later readings, as readings:
| Reading | Who makes it | Estatuto |
|---|---|---|
| The "bishop dressed in white" is the attack of May 13, 1981 | Sodano (2000) | Interpretation official of the Holy See, declared symbolic |
| The fall of communist regimes since 1989 as a sign of compliance | CDF (2000), Bertone | Official interpretation, matized by the document itself, which adds that "in other parts of the world attacks against the Church and Christians... have not ceased" |
| "Several nations will be annihilated" = such a specific country | Devocional Literature | No basis on the text. No names |
| The non-consecration caused World War II | Frère Michel | Tesis interpretative de autor, explicitly providentialist |
FIFTH PART: The parallel with the kings of France
It is one of the most cited and worst counted pages of all fatimite literature. It deserves an honest treatment, and is done in two separate and rotated blocks.
What Fatima's message says
In August 1931, en Rianjo (Rianxo, A Coruña), where her superiors had sent her to rest for a month, Sister Lucia wrote to the bishop of Leiria a letter dated the 29 August 1931. In it it attributes to Our Lord —«I thought His Divine Majesty told me"- these words:
- Text according to the edition of Brother Michel of the Holy Trinity, The Whole Truth About Fatima, vol. II, chap. VII, note 705, which refers to * * Joaquín María Alonso, C.M.F., Fatima to the Sphinx, Madrid, Sol de Fatima, 1979, p. 97 * *. One's own translation about that lesson.
Y, en el relato de 1936 about Tuy's vision, the famous phrase:
Whoever melts them on a single date is making a source error. Y el announcer changes according to the editionOur Lord in one, Our Lady in another.
And a limit of our research, said without any doubt: We have not been able to check the Portuguese autograph of Rianjo's letter or a facsimile. What circulates in Portuguese has real variants ("Participate in My Ministers» / «Make My Ministers Know»; «My mandate» / «my request»; «distress» / «disgrace» / «infortúnio»). If you quote, you have to quote the edition, not as a diplomatic transcript.
What the files say
All Fatima's text says is "the king of France». No name, no date, no description of the fact. The identification with Luis XIV and with the requests of the Sacred Heart to Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque in 1689 is of the Fatimite traditionnot the text.
And about that identification, historiography says:
— **Auguste Hamon, S.J., History of devotion to the Sacred Heartt. III, p. 322. * * Hamon is also the author of the specific monograph on the subject: The Message of the Sacred Heart to Louis XIV, France (Beauchesne, 1918).
Three documentary silences that reinforce the objection: Croiset (1691)the capital work of spreading devotion, does not post the message to the king; Languet (1729)which does pick up the first nine Fridays, He doesn't mention it either.and the message It is only made public in 1867, when the writings of the saint were published after his beatification of 1864 - 178 years laterand no autographs preserved.
The critical point: his own defender recognizes him
This is the decisive piece, and it is of a remarkable honesty. In the note 710 of its volume II, Brother Michel of the Holy Trinity writes:
Own translation.
That is: the main defender of the fatimite version accepts that there is no contemporary document y solves the documentary vacuum with a private revelation. That's a theological argument, not a historical one. And he says so himself.
About Louis XV and Louis XVI
- Luis XV: no documented request addressed to him, y is not in any text of Fatima. To say "Louis XV also did not want" states more than any file allows. In fact, Frère Michel himself says the opposite: that the royal house had begun to fulfill the wishes of the Sacred Heart por la reina María Leszczynska - wife of Louis XV -, by the Delphin, by Madame Elisabeth and by Louis XVI himself.
- Luis XVI: the text of the so-called "vote" exists and is read in full in * * Victor Alet, S. J., France and the Sacred Heart, 1892, pp. 256-260. Es a prayer and a vote in six articles * *, not a consecration consumed: article 4 is required to go "in person, within three months of the day of my release"a Notre-Dame de Paris to pronounce the act of consecration. That release never came. The devotional tradition dates back to 21 June 1792 (Alt) or on 21 July; the execution was the 21 January 1793: 7 monthsNo semana. Y up authenticity is not established: without autograph, printed from 1815. Alit himself, who is his apologist, grants that "ce n’est là qu’une simple conjecture, without any positive foundation"on the attribution to Father Hébert.
I'll tell you what you're saying.
What the files say. No document is kept to prove that Louis XIV received that message. Jesuit Auguste Hamon, author of the monograph on the subject, concludes: "Louis XIV did not receive the Message." The letters of the saint were published in 1867, 178 years later. The "vote of Louis XVI" is an attributed text, without autograph, published since 1815, and the date given to it by tradition - June 21, 1792 - is seven months, not one week, before its execution.
Both are true in your own order., and the second does not destroy the first: a mystical text is not a notarial act, and a loophole is not a theological rebuttal. What would be false is to present the first as if it were the second.
Sources of this page
Papal texts (downloaded from vatican.va and cross-checked on flat text):
- Pius XII, Radio message, 31-X-1942 (PT)
- Pius XII, Prayer for consecration..., 8-XII-1942 (IT)
- Pius XII, Holy versus year, 7-VII-1952 (LA)
- Paul VI, closing of the third session of the Council, 21- XI-1964 (ES)
- John Paul II, prayer in Fatima, 13-V-1982 (IT)
- John Paul II, Letter to the Bishops + Act, 8-XII-1983 (PT)
- John Paul II, homily and act of 25-II-1984 (IT)
- Francisco, Consecration Act, 25-III-2022 (ES)
- CDF, The message of Fatima, 26-VI-2000 (ES)
/es/ devuelven HTTP 200 with empty text page (Signum Magnum 1967; Fátima homilies 1982 and 1991). In such cases the version must be linked it o pt.Fatimite sources and bibliography:
- Santuário de Fátima, «Narrativa das aparições»:
https://www.fatima.pt/pt/pages/narrativa-das-aparicoes(HTTP 200). - Brother Michel of the Holy Trinity, The Whole Truth About Fatima, vol. II, The Secret and the Church, cap. VII.
- A. M. Martins, S. J., Documents of Fatima y Letters from Sister Lucia (2nd ed., Porto, 1979). ♪ The Paging of Documents of Fatima varies according to the edition (1973 and 1976): before quoting, the year must be fixed.
- J.M. Alonso, C.M.F., Fatima to the Sphinx, Madrid, Sol de Fatima, 1979.
- A. Hamon, S. J., History of devotion to the Sacred Heart, t. III; The Message of the Sacred Heart to Louis XIV, FranceBeauchesne, 1918.
- V. Alet, S. J., France and the Sacred Heart1892, pp. 256-260.
- Treasures of the Faith, No. 245 (May 2022) - critical position in Spanish.
- Paul Kengor, National Catholic Register, March 23, 2022 — affirmative stance.
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